Thursday, June 01, 2006

True or False

Do you believe in God?

If yes:
a. do you pray?
b. do you believe in heaven and hell?

If no:
a. did you ever?
b. do you ever wish you did?


At 2:29 PM , Blogger Kafaleni said...

yes, yes, and yes.

Gosh, that was quick..

At 2:35 PM , Blogger Tamara said...

Sorry, no. (Why do I ALWAYS apologize when I answer this question?)

a. Yes.
b. Sure; would make a lotta stuff easier.

At 3:03 PM , Blogger Higgy said...

Do I believe in God? No. Do I believe in a higher power/spirituality/being? Maybe. I know we're not alone out there, so think of that what you will.

Never did believe in God - nor did I ever wish I did. I'm a pretty hard-core atheist when it comes right down to it.

At 3:09 PM , Anonymous kingw said...

Same as Tamara. Although I don't really apologise about it.

At 10:48 PM , Anonymous Bismuth said...

yes, every day, and yes

At 1:36 AM , Blogger Graz said...


I did once upon a time. And I prayed often. I prayed for everything from me not getting in trouble for breaking that window to asking for help for someone tht I saw on TV that needed food and a place to live. As far as heaven and hell, I believe that htere is a little bit of heaven everyday in each of our lives. We just have to see it for what it is......and as for hell, there is that in each of our lives also. But not as a punishment, unless we are being punished for being alive.

In the stricter sense of those things, I once believed in a heaven because I was raised as a Catholic, but I could never get my mind around the concept of a hell that a loving god would send us to for eternity if we didn't stictly follow a set of rules. If he loves us that much, then there couldn't be such a thing as hell. And if there is a place that we are sent to suffer in eternity for a moment of weakness, then shame on him, he's wrong.

As you can tell, the Sisters at Saint Francis just loved me.

At 12:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay, this may double post, but if so, I blame blogspot.

Yes, yes, yes.

I think the "did you ever" is a nice deep question, Punky.

One could take the position that if you don't now you probably never did, it's only that you thought you did and then came to the realization that you did not.

It's interesting as well that often people lose their faith at the time that it gets tested. In other words, so long as believing isn't demanding too much of them, they roll along.

Then life throws something horrible at them, which they can not reconcile with their faith.

But horrible things have been happening throughout the history of the universe, so losing one's faith when such an event hits closer to home may indicate that it never really existed, or wasn't developed.

Similarly, one may be challenged by philosophical / theological / moral conundrums. These are not incompatible with faith, but rather are the very core of faith. Wrestling with such questions define our faith.

But as the saying says, you fix the roof while the sun is shining. If you wrestle with your conundrums during a crisis, your faith may not live.

Graz - on the "hell" front, I similarly don't see much of a population there. I don't think you can get there by mistake. I think you have to believe in God and reject Him to go to hell. And even then, I don't imagine a bunch of demons poking hot things in people's arses. Hell could just be living with that ultimate decision.


At 1:38 PM , Anonymous Sallyacious said...

I believe we create our own heaven and hell based on the choices we make in our lives. I also believe in reincarnation, and that you take everything from one life with you into the next.

At 1:45 PM , Anonymous Sallyacious said...


There is no need to apologize. You believe what you believe. And that is what it is. It's no more a judgement on my faith or anyone else's than my beliefs should serve as a judgement on you.

I come from one of those uptight denominations that is dwindling because members believe that faith is a very personal thing. Of course, that sort of thinking leads to tolerance, which is much more work than intolerance, probably another reason certain denominations are getting smaller.

At 2:20 PM , Blogger punky said...

Exactly what Sally said!

Well, that was convenient.

At 4:07 PM , Blogger Kafaleni said...

What Cbol said..

I don't believe in Hell as a punishment, either. I think that Heaven and Hell exist, and to look at Hell as a punishment for wrongdoing doesn't give God a lot of credit. We have free will. If we didn't, there wouldn't be a lot of point in having Heaven and Hell. You'd have one or the other and that's where everyone would end up. God won't force you to believe in Him or do what He wants, but he's there waiting for you to "pick me, want me, love me!" (couldn't you just smack Meredith somedays?) Not that I am comparing God to a fictional character. He's not nearly as whiny as Meredith. And I don't see him wanting to sleep with someone else's husband. Where was I again?
God waits. If you deliberately choose to reject what he offers, then He has no control over you or your destiny. He can only take what you give Him. This doesn't mean that God has no power, it just means that He uses His power to give us what we decide that we want.

People may tell me that I'm not thinking correctly here, but God was and is my choice. I've made it. I won't try to talk you out of where you're at, because otherwise I'm not giving you a choice. However, if you ever want to ask me anything about what, why & how I believe, you know where I am. You won't convince me that you're right, and I probably won't change your mind, either, but I'm always willing to talk

At 4:36 PM , Anonymous boo augustus said...

Kafaleni said . . . "it just means that He uses His power to give us what we decide that we want."

Great, I personally can't decide what toaster I want in my kitchen or what breadspread I want in on my bed and now God wants me decide too? Of course, the choice would be much easier if God provided, say, a gift with purchase or even a receipt. Maybe a nice canvas totebag with "GOD" printed on the side.

So, yes, I do believe in God. Do I pray? Probably not as often as I should. Do I believe in heaven and hell? I'll have to hink a little bit more about that one.

At 6:44 PM , Blogger Kafaleni said...

*deletes rant*

God and the TVSN don't have the same general policies. Also God employs fewer annoying presenters. This is not to say that everyone who claims to represent God is
(a) a representative of God or
(b) not annoying.

At 9:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a thought for those on the fence about God...

If there is no God, we are simply products of the meaningless flux of atoms. But humans have intellects and wills, which cannot be reduced to simply natural, scientific explanations. Here’s why – C.S. Lewis argues, unless at least some of our thoughts aren’t explicable wholly in terms of physical processes of the natural world, the very scientific idea of nature itself is unreliable – for it, too, would be merely the product of biochemically determined thinking. Likewise, unless at least some of our choices aren’t the product of natural, physical laws, all our choices, including moral decisions to kill, lie, cheat, or steal, would be mere products of nature. We would make them because the physical, biochemical processes of the universe force us to.

As such, a scientist who claims to explain everything about man in terms of pure science winds up explaining nothing, for there is no basis for thinking anything he says about man is true. He traps his theory-not to mention himself-in a naturalistic straightjacket. He must hold that he himself theorizes as he does simply because the whole universe and its physical, biochemical laws move the molecules around in his head that way, not because he's discovered some "truth" about the way things are.


At 1:15 AM , Anonymous Sallyacious said...

Glad I could be of help, Punky.

At 7:54 AM , Blogger Kafaleni said...

Cbol.. someone's gonna use that as a defense for murder.. "it was a product of my nature.. it just happened and I don't know why.. I've never even heard Barry Manilow's music. I had no reason to feed him into a jet engine. However, I have been heartily congratulated, given the key to several cities and cited for my services to humanity since this unfortunate incident."

At 6:49 PM , Blogger Mad Scientist said...

Yes, Yes and Yes.

The more I learn of science the deeper my faith becomes.

I got in trouble once for answering my sister with my honest opinion about heaven and hell. We agreed to disagree and avoid the topic.


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